[PC/Mac] Legend of Grimrock, OGI Gioca a Dungeon Master revamped! Opzioni

[TheRuler]

Continua la buona abitudine del mercoledì con la saga del making of.
Questa è la volta delle tracce audio di ambiente.

Intanto l'alfa dell'editor è ancora in fase "bug hunting". DAI! DAI! DAI!

Ci tengo a citare una analisi DETTAGLIATISSIMA stesa durante e dopo aver finito il gioco, di un tizio decisamente dentro.
http://www.grimrock.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2833

[Yak]

Antico, è di nuovo a -60%... io ci penserei eh!
(Go scimmia! Go! Più in alto! Sali!)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/207170/

[The Ancient One]

Antico, è di nuovo a -60%... io ci penserei eh!
(Go scimmia! Go! Più in alto! Sali!)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/207170/

Basta, su OGI non ci vengo più!
Ormai avete il pieno controllo del mio portafogli!!!!

[TheRuler]

Nuova puntata del making of: Pillole di programmazione.
Interessantissimo. Consiglio la lettura anche ai non programmatori (come me).

[TheRuler]

Giusto per segnalare che le idee ed il materiale per il mod di EoB proseguono bene, senza limitarsi ai soli labirinti... ;-)



Intanto l'editor è ritornato in mano al programmatore (dopo la pausa di due settimane in mano agli alpha testers) ed è passato in fase beta.
Una ventina di bug già risolti ed una lista "todo" sempre più striminzita.
DAI DAI DIAI!!!

[TheRuler]

Speriamo non sia speculazione, ma l'editor dovrebbe raggiungere il termine della fase beta (quindi niente più nuove feature, solo bug hunting) alla fine della prossima settimana. La seguente sarà dedicata alla creazione della patch che permetterà al gioco di integrare l'editor ed i nuovi UCC (user created contents).

Ciance a parte, volevo riportare un thread molto divertente, raccomandando la visione solo a chi ha superato il livello 9, ma anche no:

Un utente apre una discussione segnalando un bug. Date una occhiata al video, e se siete arrivati a questo puzzle, capirete di cosa stiamo parlando:
http://repository.minus.com/mbqiNkqkDA/

Unread postby frankbsad » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:06 am
In level 9 when I start going down the corridor I some how end up back in the room I started in. Also at the X I marked I can see the wall change slightly, and some times I'll get stuck in an infinite loop of corridor with no way to get out of it. Any ideas? I really like the game and don't want to quit because of this.

questa è stata la risposta di un utente:

Re: level 9 glitch

Unread postby LiamKerrington » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:46 am
Hi.

This kind of bug exists in other older games as well. It is literally unavoidable, because it basically roots in the architecture and engine of the game. The more complex a game gets, the more likely this kind of bug appears - and then often several times within a logical unit within the game/ program, like with lvl 9 of LoG.

Generations of programmers and IT-experts have tried to get rid of this "natural failure of systems"; but truth it: You cannot change it. It is just the mere result of the massive amount of I/Os coded in different programming languages interacting with each other and trying to inter-operate as much as possible. I would like to consider them just some kind of "collateral damage".

In bigger games like Skyrim, FPS, MMOs, or games with huge landscapes or challenging graphics you won't recognize this kind of bug, because they most often hide in graphical artifacts or some weird effect like flying horses (as within in Skyrim); these things don't have a real effect on your personal gameplay. But in games like LoG which obey to stiff rules of movement and actions it is more likely that you will face these bugs sooner or later. And there is no way around it. So you need to stick and live with it.

At least it would be a bad move neglecting an overall 99,9% solid game, only because this bug appears twice on a single level of this whole dungeon - especially since you can solve the situation by simply turning 180° at the proper locations. And there you go ... You may proceed with the game.

And if you - by now - have not realized that all I write here is totally bogus, then, YES, THEN you are allowed to de-install the game and turn your back on it ... Otherwise consider it as what it really is: a small puzzle to drive you mad ...

All the best!
Liam

[The Ancient One]

Ciance a parte, volevo riportare un thread molto divertente, raccomandando la visione solo a chi ha superato il livello 9, ma anche no:

Un utente apre una discussione segnalando un bug. Date una occhiata al video, e se siete arrivati a questo puzzle, capirete di cosa stiamo parlando:
http://repository.minus.com/mbqiNkqkDA/

Unread postby frankbsad » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:06 am
In level 9 when I start going down the corridor I some how end up back in the room I started in. Also at the X I marked I can see the wall change slightly, and some times I'll get stuck in an infinite loop of corridor with no way to get out of it. Any ideas? I really like the game and don't want to quit because of this.

questa è stata la risposta di un utente:

Re: level 9 glitch

Unread postby LiamKerrington » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:46 am
Hi.

This kind of bug exists in other older games as well. It is literally unavoidable, because it basically roots in the architecture and engine of the game. The more complex a game gets, the more likely this kind of bug appears - and then often several times within a logical unit within the game/ program, like with lvl 9 of LoG.

Generations of programmers and IT-experts have tried to get rid of this "natural failure of systems"; but truth it: You cannot change it. It is just the mere result of the massive amount of I/Os coded in different programming languages interacting with each other and trying to inter-operate as much as possible. I would like to consider them just some kind of "collateral damage".

In bigger games like Skyrim, FPS, MMOs, or games with huge landscapes or challenging graphics you won't recognize this kind of bug, because they most often hide in graphical artifacts or some weird effect like flying horses (as within in Skyrim); these things don't have a real effect on your personal gameplay. But in games like LoG which obey to stiff rules of movement and actions it is more likely that you will face these bugs sooner or later. And there is no way around it. So you need to stick and live with it.

At least it would be a bad move neglecting an overall 99,9% solid game, only because this bug appears twice on a single level of this whole dungeon - especially since you can solve the situation by simply turning 180° at the proper locations. And there you go ... You may proceed with the game.

And if you - by now - have not realized that all I write here is totally bogus, then, YES, THEN you are allowed to de-install the game and turn your back on it ... Otherwise consider it as what it really is: a small puzzle to drive you mad ...

All the best!
Liam

[Micartu]

È presente oltre che nel primo, nella parte finale del secondo eye.

[TheRuler]

Pubblicato il post del venerdi'.

Un video sulle potenzialita' dello scripting lua. Fatto per ridere (e riesce nell'intento) ma che definirei ipressionante.

Oh, and about the dungeon editor: we’ve reached internal beta! All the features and functionality is done, now all it needs is just a little bit of polishing and bug fixing and then we can unleash it into the wild. We’re getting close to the finish line, folks!

[TheRuler]

Pubblicata la lista delle caratteristiche dell'editor:

WOW!

We realized that we really haven’t listed the Dungeon Editor’s features and capabilities in any single place clearly so hey, why not compile a list here. This should give you a better overall picture about what you can create with the editor. Let me switch on my marketing droid -mode here for a moment… There! Let’s go:

Simple and straightforward user interface.
Instant preview lets you test play the dungeon instantly: no need to leave the editor or wait for the level to export.
Create puzzles, traps and contraptions simply by connecting buttons, pressure plates and other triggers to trapdoors, spawners or teleporters for example.
Use Lua scripts to create even more complex logic and go beyond what would otherwise be possible.
Fill your dungeons with any of the 350+ original Legend of Grimrock assets.
Create new items, complete with new graphics and functionality like new magical weapons or potions with their own custom effects.
If you want a cow-on-wheels roaming the tunnels, it’s no problem: you can use your own custom monsters!
Totally transform how the dungeon looks and feels like by using custom environment graphics and objects.
Trigger your own sounds or replace the background music.
Tell a story with custom intro and ending cinematics.
Create hellish demon snails simply by changing the textures of the original snail: you can modify, replace or recycle the original Legend of Grimrock textures, meshes or other assets to suit your needs.
Publish your creations by using the built-in Steam Workshop support – or just freely upload the dungeon data anywhere or hand it out directly to your friends.

Some of you might know that we’ve previously had a policy in place that has prevented modders from modifying/distributing the game assets found in our game data. We will still have that policy in place as far as reverse-engineered assets are regarded but we will release a comprehensive pack of assets along with the editor that you can use and modify to create Legend of Grimrock mods. This is just due to the fact that we can’t, for example, give away sounds we have bought and give people the permission to use and modify those assets. But don’t worry, the majority of our assets will be in the pack for you to use. We will release the revised modding and asset usage terms soon.

Oh, and there won’t be a need to hack the game to access the developer console anymore either: to make it easier to debug your custom dungeons, we have implemented an option to enable the console.

If you’ve got any more questions on what could be done with the editor, ask in the comments or on the forum.

SEMBRA che l'accesso allo steam workshop sia possibile solo agli utenti steam. Speriamo che la sezine grimrock non sia disponibile solo agli utenti che lo hanno acquistato sulla piattaforma Valve.
Ci saranno comunque altri modi per scaricare i mod.

[Max_R]

Pubblicata la lista delle caratteristiche dell'editor:

WOW!

We realized that we really haven’t listed the Dungeon Editor’s features and capabilities in any single place clearly so hey, why not compile a list here. This should give you a better overall picture about what you can create with the editor. Let me switch on my marketing droid -mode here for a moment… There! Let’s go:

Simple and straightforward user interface.
Instant preview lets you test play the dungeon instantly: no need to leave the editor or wait for the level to export.
Create puzzles, traps and contraptions simply by connecting buttons, pressure plates and other triggers to trapdoors, spawners or teleporters for example.
Use Lua scripts to create even more complex logic and go beyond what would otherwise be possible.
Fill your dungeons with any of the 350+ original Legend of Grimrock assets.
Create new items, complete with new graphics and functionality like new magical weapons or potions with their own custom effects.
If you want a cow-on-wheels roaming the tunnels, it’s no problem: you can use your own custom monsters!
Totally transform how the dungeon looks and feels like by using custom environment graphics and objects.
Trigger your own sounds or replace the background music.
Tell a story with custom intro and ending cinematics.
Create hellish demon snails simply by changing the textures of the original snail: you can modify, replace or recycle the original Legend of Grimrock textures, meshes or other assets to suit your needs.
Publish your creations by using the built-in Steam Workshop support – or just freely upload the dungeon data anywhere or hand it out directly to your friends.

Some of you might know that we’ve previously had a policy in place that has prevented modders from modifying/distributing the game assets found in our game data. We will still have that policy in place as far as reverse-engineered assets are regarded but we will release a comprehensive pack of assets along with the editor that you can use and modify to create Legend of Grimrock mods. This is just due to the fact that we can’t, for example, give away sounds we have bought and give people the permission to use and modify those assets. But don’t worry, the majority of our assets will be in the pack for you to use. We will release the revised modding and asset usage terms soon.

Oh, and there won’t be a need to hack the game to access the developer console anymore either: to make it easier to debug your custom dungeons, we have implemented an option to enable the console.

If you’ve got any more questions on what could be done with the editor, ask in the comments or on the forum.

SEMBRA che l'accesso allo steam workshop sia possibile solo agli utenti steam. Speriamo che la sezine grimrock non sia disponibile solo agli utenti che lo hanno acquistato sulla piattaforma Valve.
Ci saranno comunque altri modi per scaricare i mod.

Perfettamente d'accordo: spero che anche i GOGers possano usufruire di editor e mod, però c'è da considerare che acquistandolo direttamente si ottiene anche la chiave Steam!

[TheRuler]

Da quello che si legge ho idea che faranno tutto su Steam workshop confidando nel fatto che i creatori di contenuti, per diffondere maggiormente il proprio lavoro, lo rendano disponibile anche su altri siti.

MAH!.




intanto si comincia a vedere qualche Tileset praticamente pronto:

[TheRuler]

Spuntata una nuova sezione sul sito: MODDING DOCUMENTATION.
Stanno facendo le cose davvero in grande.

EDIT: DUNGEON EDITOR BETA APERTA!!!
solo per chi ha la chiave Steam. Io non ce l'ho, ma qui sicuramente qualcuno l'avra'!

[The Ancient One]

Devo capitolare.
Mi tocca prenderlo per PC.

[psiko]

Notevole la parte finale con i nuovi "mostri".
Chissà che diavolo riusciranno a tirarci fuori...so curioso..

[Yak]

Devo capitolare.
Mi tocca prenderlo per PC.

Non vorrei sembrare petulante, ma, come molti qui...

"TE L'AVEVAMO DETTO...."

[TheRuler]

Devo capitolare.
Mi tocca prenderlo per PC.

tieni duro!

Will the editor also come out for OSX?
When can the Mac-port be expected? I didn´t buy the game in the first place because OSX was pronounced…until today i waited so long that i decided to stay patient and finally wait for the thing on my platform (i do have Parallels but am unsure if the game will run good within that) – whenever that may be…

I know what you mean, however once we get the editor completed (pretty soon) we will have a moment to think about the next move and will sure let you know what we have in mind.

[Tsam]

Ottima notizia quella dell'editor che sicuramente amplierà in maniera considerevole le potenzialità del titolo..mi aspetto anche qualche dungeon fatto da loro però!

Domanda: per la traduzione italiana si sa più qualcosa?

[TheRuler]

Si prevedono ANNI di divertimento assicurato.
 ogi_rocks.jpg ( 150.71k ) Numero di download: 14

[The Ancient One]

Si prevedono ANNI di divertimento assicurato.
 ogi_rocks.jpg ( 150.71k ) Numero di download: 14

Bella lì, rullo!

Questa la voglio subito in home page!!!!

[TheRuler]

Rilasciato l'asset-pack del gioco originale.
Ora è possibile modificare tutta la grafica del gioco partendo anche dagli asset originali.
MODS A MANETTA!

La community si sta espandendo a macchia d'olio: nascono ogni giorno mappe nuove ed il forum brulica di discussioni.

[Yak]

Mi aspetto che ci segnalerai tutta la roba che vale di più eh. Ci hai fatto salire la scimmia, ora devi nutrirla.

[TheRuler]

Mi aspetto che ci segnalerai tutta la roba che vale di più eh. Ci hai fatto salire la scimmia, ora devi nutrirla.

Ma che ti credi... mica sono il tipo che seduce poi abbandona!



Nello steam workshop si contano già 103 progetti...

[TheRuler]

Si comincia a ragionare: Livello 1 completato, il 2 è in corso.

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 637x358.resizedimage2.jpg ( 45.38k ) Numero di download: 7
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anche un altro mod sta suscitando lo stesso interesse:
 578002BBABFB9AB1BC922243314E0F352FD57E87.jpg ( 126.86k ) Numero di download: 13

[Capo]

Ottimo! Proprio quello che stavo aspettando, e domani comincio il gioco!